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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 2:01 pm 
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Your designs need Symmetry!
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...and, you will find that the corner is one of the most obnoxious places to be in with your gear.

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:? mmmnnn...

damned if you do, damned if you don't.

--is there a happy medium in this situation?

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 2:58 pm 
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From what I've read here, the experts say that symmetry is very important in your control room. You'll never be able to mix well if you don't have a decent stereo image, and symmetry is key for that.

Surely there must be a plan that would make your CR symmetrical again?

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Would you mind walking through the live room to get to the control room?

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 3:18 pm 
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check out the first design on I started this thread off with,
Originally I was shooting for a symmetrical CR in the middle of this floorplan, but it seems I did not have enough space for it to work properly (as a few posters pointed out before)
The final dimensions of the center room would be something like this:
W=5'11 (front) 8,4 (rear)
L= 12'
H=10'

too tight?


The main problem in this design challenge seems to be what exceptions we're gonna make. If it's not space it's symmetry.
I suppose I could save space by going with a staggered stud wall between the rooms.
other than that I can't see any workarounds.

Mostly what I'm shooting for is just to get the best dimensions for a control room that I can given my space constraints.
0--cool?

I've got a few options (or few options..., rather)
any of you guys want to chip in and suggest which you may think is the better alternative?

1.)Small control room in elongated trapezoid shape
2.)corner mix position that shares a room with instruments

I'm anxious to get some other opinions in here...

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Alright, back to the drawing board again:

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This is what I can get away with and still allow the sprinkler heads to remain exposed near the walls.

10deg Control Room walls

Dimensions:

W: 5'7" (F) 8'4" (R)
L: 10'
H: 10'-11.5' (before ceiling drop)

is this an option?



And here is the other design I came up with today:

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Just to make the choices clear :)
...I'm still open to suggestions as well

I should rename this thread to "space management" and sprinkler pipes!

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On your western wall, as we look at your design, I noticed you have two windows... do you need them? Would you consider the possibility of covering them? If you do, then you can have the left half of the room as a CR facing the right half as a LR.

You can have your vocal booth on the right-top corner of the room, however, like Brien said, your place is fairly small and you'll lose valuable space from the LR...

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 9:19 am 
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Two more designs here
I can make the Control room work with larger dimensions and the sprinkler pipes by taking space from either of the adjacent rooms:
two options:

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-or-

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CR dimensions

W: 6' 11" (f) 9' 8" (r) wall angles= 8deg
L: 11' 7 to large soffits/bass trap at front of room

Starting to look better?

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 1:14 pm 
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any votes?

I'd like to finalize on the design before the end of the week...
leaning towards 5b

I got a chance to go down to the space tonight, and the rear wall of the CR is gonna be very large, long enough to fit the couch and perhaps have room for the door swing to the right

mmmnnn space.. :P

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I wonder if the sprinkler is becoming too much of a focus point? I wonder this because, I cannot say with any authority, how these pipes can or can not interact in this situation. What I mean is, have you asked the locals what they expect from you in this situation? Is there a possibility that walls can be developed below the sprinkler(s) and not have to be encased in the wall? If you can get a ten foot wall height and still be below the pipes, then you may have more flexibility.

But you have to ask that question to your local authorities.

Hope that is of some help.

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From what I understand you can't build a wall within 4" of a sprinkler
other info i read says you can't stack anything under a sprinkler if the space remaining is less then 18"

I think it's best to keep clear.

the sprinkler pipes are 9 1/2 feet off the floor and because the ceiling height is variable this leaves about 1/2' to 2' above them.
besides constructing a ceiling in all three rooms (under the sprinkler heads and against code) I don't see a way to go around them and still maintain separation between the three rooms.

I think we're going with design 5B
we're having a meeting with the builder tomorrow, and I am eager to move on and try to get this project done before Christmas! :yahoo:

I would still like to hear any opinions about these particular dimensions/angles for the control room before we start setting studs.

...let me know if I'm overlooking something.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 12:21 am 
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abstractrhythm wrote:
From what I understand you can't build a wall within 4" of a sprinkler
other info i read says you can't stack anything under a sprinkler if the space remaining is less then 18"

I think it's best to keep clear.



Not Internet expert advice:) What is code in your hometown?

I wouldn't have much interest in helping in a situation where the eyes are closed to safety. Especially an overhead sprinkler ;) But thats just me

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ok I just spoke with a (assistant) chief over at the Brooklyn Department of buildings

He said that covering up a sprinkler head would not be a problem as long as the remaining area is covered by the spray radius of the adjacent sprinklers.
He also said that if I were to build a wall NEXT to a sprinkler head the required space for clearance was 4"

there are 8 sprinkler heads in our room each set in a 18" from the outside walls.
each head has a spray radius of 7ft.

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This is good news!

meaning we could remove (or block) either of the 2 center pipes to build the Control room and still have the (aprox.) coverage we need without having to call in a master plumber and go through the large process of relocating a sprinkler vien, or costraining our design to clear the sprinkler heads.

so the direction of this thread can now get back to the original topic:
what are the ideal dimensions for this control room?
the given we have is that the length from the front wall to the back can not be larger than 12ft.
Dropping the ceiling is no problem, and I would actually like to angle the ceiling to be considering its construction in the future within the new room.

I'm mostly looking for suggestions or equations that would specify the type of width would be ideal (acoustically) with the given restraints.

whew, feeling safer already!

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You asked for it...
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