John Sayers' Recording Studio Design Forum

Useg Diaz-Granados,


I think we are discussing two different things here. One is the physics of how to construct a safe building in general, an acoustic environment as a goal, and the methods based on the materials that we use to reach this goal.

The other is personal opinion .


In this thread alone we have people from Argentina, Stuart is in Chile, you are in Sweden and I am in America...this forum hails from Australia. Five different countries...that is my culture as it applies to this...it isn't looking out my back door as sometimes I have to use a telescope to see far enough

Cultural conditioning is not part of physics, it more belongs in Behavioral Science. But I agree that people do what they see others locally do, doesn't make it a better way, just another way that may or may not be correct.

That is most likely the mainest reason that JohnLSayers.com is so active...people want to do it right, often they want to do it right now, but the "doing it right part" with the most current and up-to-date information available is the driving force.

I guess what I am trying to say is this. It can be wrong in my country, a certain building technique, that someone might use, but after enough research is passed you will locate what is the correct way to do said "thing" and that most often can come from another country all together.

Like the NRC, they have tested hundreds of wall assemblies/doors and windows, have thousands of articles about this very subject. They are located in Canada !! And the guys that have written articles for them come from various countries as well. But they are authority's' in this field, scientists, well versed and well respected for their work.

So that is neither local or hearsay...nor personal opinion that can be misconstrued.


To the original posters build, let's assume that the joists are Hemlock, which is a stronger material.
2X6 spaced @ 24 inches, with a 15 pound deadload/ 10 live, l/360 deflection...the span is only 11 feet 2 inches! Hemlock-Fir, with all the same perimeters give you a span of 11 feet 4 inches.

In order to span longer distances, you either close the layout OR you increase the lumber size OR both.


I am fairly certain that they should have reduced the span, but increasing the lumber dimension might have been an option, had we known anything earlier.


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I try to take the high road around here...since the alternative is a muddy path:), sometimes I fail at that and sometimes what I might "type" doesn't sound near as good to the eyes as it might have to the ears.

Stuart has been here for a while, earned his status, and has a great understanding of the mechanics involved in this field. He is most likely one of those "pretentious" people, in your eyes, so it comes as no surprise that you are upset with him...maybe it is a cultural issue between Chile and Sweden...I dunno

I agree that Glenn administers information with no agenda, is clear, accurate , a talented designer who most posters abuse and can be the most proliferate of authors here. And those are all good things.


But let's do each other a favor, and if that cannot be achieved, then let us do John Sayers a favor.

Breath first, type it out if breathing doesn't work, then delete the post and start again.

There is no way you can not like someone simply based on words typed...it is silly to even consider.

Not having the FULL aspects of a persons character, the flesh and blood, the face, voice, hair color, etc...we cannot be so aggressive as to think we do not like someone simply because they are either smarter on paper, or boisterous, or like me...loud mouthed and emotional unavailable

Stay focused, all I ask.

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Brien Holcombe
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Sound: You can't stop it, you can only try to contain it.

Brien Holcombe, even though certain things that you just typed might appear to be correct to me; does not mean that the moderators who should be setting
a positive example should appear to be demeaning, rude or obnoxious.


If I can only judge a person on the input that I can interpret and if that happens to only be the written word (which I believe to be
a good indicator of a persons personal attributes) then that is what I will go by.

Sure, I might have lost my cool after grown people in this particular forum have been spoken to like they where little children; maybe the moderators should focus more
on the humane treatment of the ones seeking advice here; instead of guarding their status by using their knowledge as leverage in the same time as they behave
inappropriate.

The reason I used Glenn as an example is because of his inclusive way of dealing with people; if he thinks his knowledge is being unfairly exploited I am sure he can address that particular issue
himself without the possible distortion or triangulation of other moderators thoughts that might be based on assumptions and not facts.

And that leads me to Stuart; I perceive you to be a grown man Brien; if somebody has something to say about something that I directly addressed to you it should be you and NOT Stuart.

Words can in the worst cases start wars; that is why it is important to guard your tongue (or fingers) when communicating with other humans unless you are ready to stand for (and take the consequences of) what you express.



Sincerely,

Useg Diaz-Granados

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Well, that's your opinion of how moderators should behave. Some moderators might agree, others don't necessarily.

why? The moderators aren't here to make people people feel happy and wonderful, and yippee! life is beautiful! Not our job. The moderators are here to get rid of spammers, and provide advice on building studios. If they happen to see some doing something dumb, then the best way to make sure the person knows they are doing something dumb, is simply to tell them "That's dumb". Beating around the bush with happy thoughts and nice flowery comments, attempting to not offend anyone, is not going to help people build a better studio. If I'm about to do something stupid in a build, and someone spots it, I would REALLY like to hear them say "That's stupid!" I would really hate for them to try to deliver a discourse on nice pretty feelings, and joyful, cheerful, positive thoughts! How is that going to help me build a better studio?

Cold hard facts, straight-up comments are much more useful than wishy-washy PC waffle.

(As you might have guessed by now, I'm not big on "political correctness", or touchy-feely warm-and-fuzzies: A rose is a rose, but a pile of crap is still a pile of crap, no matter how pretty you paint it, or how much perfume you pour on it, so that's what I'll call it.)

Why? We are both moderators. We both moderate. There are no restrictions on who can comment on which thread. If I happen to agree with Brien on some point, there's no reason why I shouldn't say so. And if he happens to disagree with me on some point, he has no hesitation in telling me. If you don't happen to like my response to a post, then don't comment on it! I really don't care if you do or don't. It's no big deal to me if I comment on someone's studio build thread, and they don't like my comment. It's their problem, not mine! My advice is there: you can either take it, or you can leave it. Either way, it doesn't affect me. I won't loose any sleep over someone ignoring or rejecting my suggestions.


- Stuart -

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I want this studio to amaze people. "That'll do" doesn't amaze people.

How are you going diegoselma?

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Stuart (lol)
You don't have to be an A hole in order to assist someone; if you think that is an acceptable approach that is your problem.

I will exploit the hell out of your knowledge (absorb any relevant knowledge accessible in this forum presented by you).

But once again (and for the last time because this dialog is over), do me the favor Stuart and
NEVER again involve yourself in MY (lol) project.

Have a good life buddy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvXgRZ8sfSw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3EYvNnMibg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AV-LX6y25Ww
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkJQ3xvYqt4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUxFducYXyk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjNh3IiXE4M



Sincerely,

Useg Diaz-Granados

Diego, now that the rude and unpleasant hijack of your thread is over, I was wondering how it is going with your build, and if you need more help?

- Stuart -

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I want this studio to amaze people. "That'll do" doesn't amaze people.

"I will exploit the hell out of your knowledge (absorb any relevant knowledge accessible in this forum presented by you)."

And I will say this...whatever he knows (Stuart) he has read...and you are free to do this as well, we mention many books and hundreds of documents around here...and BEG the posters to buy them/read them/and apply them.


You guys play pretty

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Brien Holcombe
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