John Sayers' Recording Studio Design Forum

I wonder if this would be more better for ya, only in reference to orientation and initial layout.

It isn't the final suggestion as you can plainly see I took the wall out so I could flip the rooms

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Brien Holcombe
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Sound: You can't stop it, you can only try to contain it.

Hi

Thanks for the input xspace - but will need access into the training room. Those stairs come up from under the training room from downstairs - well there not in at the moment and may never go in - but we want to keep that space free encase we do build another floor on top. That would be the only possible entry from the street for this floor and the possible 3rd floor without going through the shop.

Whats your thoughts on the control room / live room size and the Sepmeyer -1.00 : 1.14 : 1.39 ratio?

Thanks

i think you go back to your paid for design. too bad you could not take part of the office space and part of the training room for storage and keep the larger space...

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Glenn

Hi Thanks Gullfo

It is to bad, in the future I think we may turn the store room into another conrtol room - it can then face onto and share the live room as well.

He's another plan, back to the one we paid for - but I have changed the size's of the room.

Let me know what you think

CF - Lowden - 1.00:1.30:1.90 = LxWxH - 5.22m x 3.57m x 2.57m

Thanks

i would change the layout of the control room but the positioning seems fine.

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Glenn

Most definitely! There are a lot of things with that original design that just don't make much sense, to my way of thinking.

Glenn's plan is much, much better. About the only thing I'd change on that is to soffit mount the speakers.


- Stuart -

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I want this studio to amaze people. "That'll do" doesn't amaze people.

Ok cool, thanks gullfo and soundman, will stick with that layout.
What about the room size / ratio? What did you do that design at gullfo? Or what ratio would you advise for that size room?
Agree with soffit and will soffit fit

I took your dimensions which I think qas 1:1.3:1.9 but in general there are likely a range of ratios in there that will be fine. Do a search on room ratios and you should find a thread from Eric Desart which shows which ratios are best and you and tweak your dimensions as needed to fit your space

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Glenn

Thanks Glenn

Going to go with your design.

Could you put the measurements on the design, Length, Width, Height. Also the width of the walls.

What wall material and construction method are those walls based on?

I now just need to working out the exact size of the wall and ceiling construction to make sure it will all fit.

Actually one thing I have not considered is the concrete pillars that come up the wall also join to a concrete beam that runs accross the ceiling. I have just measured this and :
From floor to bottom of beam is 285cm
From floor to ceiling is 317cm

(Picture attached)

This loses a huge amount of height were that beam runs across, I would imagine the ceiling construction would take up at least 30cm - so would I have to drop the entire ceiling 30cm (or so) down below that beam leaving the maximum finished headroom 255cm??

This isn't far off the last design I did earlier: Lowden - 1.00:1.30:1.90 = HxWxL - 2.57cm x 3.57cm x 5.22m

But all this would depend on the ceiling construction and thinkness required.

The ceiling above is solid concrete, it's a flat roof with nothing on top - would I have to treat the bottom of the beam as my lowest point to work from?

Thanks

Not necessarily! You only need to loose a few cm, if you plan carefully. You can interleave your ceiling joists with those concrete beams, such that the actual ceiling sheet rock sits just a few cm below the bottom of the beams.

You could also look into angling the ceiling, so that it slopes up from a lower point at the front to a higher point at the back, depending on where those beams fall in your room.

A third option is just to put soffits on them, once again depending whereabouts they fall in your room.

Careful planning can gain you ceiling height.


- Stuart -

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couple quick questions, what type of equipment (audio monitors, desk etc) do you have (or plan to have)? are the dimensions in your SketchUp 100%? does that wall between the rooms and stair case exist? if not, i should assume its a proper mass wall which will be part of a 2 leaf structure?

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Glenn

Hi Gullfo / Soundman

I'm going to go back down to the shop shortly and just re-measure - as this plan I did was measured and made well over 2 years ago. So just want to confirm its accuracy

The other designer did his own measurement - but he has not given them to me - other than in the room measurements

Hi Gullfo

Attached is a new floor space with exact measurements!

The single stud wall on the left (west) is the wall of the storage room; it is a standard single wall with 12mm plasterboard. All other perimeter walls are solid concrete, I would say at least 1 foot maybe even 2 foot thick.

The stairs and no other walls currently exist; we want to leave space for stairs in the future as we may build another level on top sometime in future. The stairs will go up over themselves (double back), so it needs enough space for a corridor to walk around the stairs to get to the next level.

We will lose half of the training room, if and when we do build the next level - but as that will just be standard stud wall it's not much of a problem - we also gain another full floor of space.

For the time being if we plan around that stair space, it can be used as a chill out area

I've attached some actual photos of the space - it's currently a dumping ground. But that can all be moved in a few hours.

Not decided what monitors yet.
Between Adams, KRK's or Genelec's


Thanks

here's round 1. it's basically got 9-0' high ceilings with the supporting 2x12 ceiling joists interlaced with the concrete supports. ratio of the CR is about 1:1.26:1.68. of course after i drew this out i realized that the front side walls in the CR should just be a continous 15° rather than staggered. otherwise i think this is about as close as you can get within that space. the live room has some space on the wall opposite the CR window for the second CR window.

attached is the SU8 file as well as some images.

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Glenn

Wow, thanks Gullfo!

That really helps to visualise it - and invaluable for the contractors.

Question regarding the wall contruction?

I'm assuming we are going for 2 x 16mm layers of plasterboard, rockwool, air, rookwool etc for double stud walls - what about the current outer leaf walls?

*Concrete (north) wall - The studing is 1" off the wall, is 1" from the plasterboard - or do we do that like an inside out wall - or do we build the frame and board it on the ground and lift it into position with 2 x 16mm board - it's not a double stud wall, so not quite sure how that is to be constructed?

*The single stud (West) wall (seperating the storage room) Picture attached - I stopped the builders plasterboarding that wall when they built the storage room - that's why you can only see 2 boards up. Now again in the SU it's only a single wall - so would we beef up the inside of the existing stud wall and use that as our outerleaf? And would that consist 2 x 16mm, rockwool, air, rockwool, 2 x 16mm?

Thanks