John Sayers' Recording Studio Design Forum

Moemedi,

I don't believe that you would gain much (if anything) by trying to fill the cavities with sand.

The brick is pretty massive - and I would guess that your mason used brick ties to join the outer-most faces to the inner most faces.

Generally a double wythe wall has the 2 joined to become one - please verify this with your mason.

If this is the case - then even with the small air gaps that exist - I would expect those walls to act as a 2 leaf system - and not a 4 leaf.

The only possible problem I see is where the 2 walls are bridged in the very middle with mortar - that's unfortunate - but my best guess would be that it doesn't break the bank when it comes to isolation.

Your weakest point is goint to be at the roof in this case - so pay close attention to detail when you construct it.

I can't add anything to the great direction given to you by John...... do what he suggests and you won't ever be sorry.

Sincerely,

Rod

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Should he add a few layers of bricks on his outer walls so that his inner ceiling can rest on his inner walls? Alternatively, layers can be removed from the top of the inner walls... Or a combination of the two.

It would seem he could have a more true "box in a box" situation with independent ceilings firmly attached to inner leaf walls, and in order to do that, the inner walls need to be shorter than the outer leaf walls.

--Keith

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Cheers John and the Johnlsayers massive

I have been think about the demolition and think that it would be best to demolish the wall going into the store room and see if we can extend the control room there. THis then we include a window between the booth and the control room. THere will be a door going into the control room out into the passage and them you would go into the booth from where the current door are and then partision another wall leaf that will allow you to walk into the booth and we can have a small left over area for soring things like CDs there. But i think that if we can work on a design like this, it is reall possible. I am not an expert but i think i just like the look of the design I have put here.

We can still leave the Booth at 3000mm x 4000mm but if a booth must be reduced we could maybe reduce in this way too, I am sure but you can develop it further, this design.

I hope that you will be able to understand the idea. I think that the control room will be bigger than the if we move the central wall.


Thanks for all you help so far John. cant wait to see the studio finshed and cant wait to start.

Hi steve, i have attached a picture of the brick used and the dimension

I am working on the sketch for the roof the roof must be flat.

but would like to have a false ceiling.

thanks

Moemedi

hi Keith

I have reading your posting on my thread about the ceiling and I was think the very same thing.


Steve Mentioned the Concept of the Ceiling and I wanted to research it a bit but if you under stood what he was talking about you could throw in some words of wisdom.

I made some calls to Johannesburg South Africa about the Insolation ROckwool and it costs an arm and leg and a head. it is too small but i am still trying to find out where I can get it chaeper than the price that they gave me. But fibre glass seems to be a lot cheaper than the rockwool.

What happens when we find a right design with John, do I have to take it to an architect who will make the plan and dimensions, angelsand all the specs or will I just need to dig into this sight and rearch how things are done. THe is alot of information on this site, i have to thank every one so far, on all the info that I have gained so far and am still to gain. How can I donate if i dont have a paypal account, can i western Union some cash to John ?

Thanks a billion

Moemedi Ramogapi

don't worry Moemedi - when you've decided what layout you want we'll sort it out

cheers
john

Hi John

I hope that you are well.

Okay, thanks I will stop worrying.

I think I like the space of the layout that I gave you as it gives more space in the control room. and we will only have to demolist one wall, as the store room is the least we will use once the studio is up, SO it you could think design something along those lines, it would be real great.

I will also try and sektch the roof, roof and the ceiling and will take some pictures to give you abetter picture. THe thing is that it is going to be very low as the walls measure just over 2300mm. But I will confirm it first.

Thanks John

Moemedi

Moemedi - it would be best to have an angled ceiling like this

cheers
john

Glad to see people build studios over in Africa! Hope it all works out man!

J

Greets

I like this Design, I wthink it will work real nice.

THe problem is the roofing, the roof must slope to one side, it cannot be a heaped roof like that becoz of the existing structure , but I will bring a drawing of what roof we can do.

Thanks John

ANd thanks to Altered Beats, We just trying to make a differnce in a place where making a differnce is the hardest thing to do.

Thanks for all your support.

Moemedi

Well said mate.

cheers
john

Indeed!

Maybe you will start a trend

I love telling folks about this forum, and dropping in a bit about, "Yeah, there's this neat project going on in Botswana..."

--Keith

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Hi every ONE

THis Site is a must see for people that are interested in recording and having studios, I wish I had seen it before I started but I am very very happy about what we are getting to make. I will try and get the President or our Member of Parliment to officially open it and bring the media to come see the power of the Internet and Johnlsayers.com. and I know from there everyone in Botswana will be logging on and asking for assitance with studio design.

John there is an exisiting wall building so this is the best roofing that can work, I dont know if it will be a problem if its done in this way. It is also the cheapest. But let mi know if it can work and would need a false ceiling as the roofing will be in corrigated iron sheetsLet mi know if this roof will work if done in this way.

Thank you.

Moemedi,

A corrugated steel/tin roof by itself will allow just about any external sounds to come into your studio, e.g. street noise, cats fighting, neighbours talking...

You may be able to get the steel sprayed with an acosutic treatment to help some (if such treatment is available in your area) but I suspect you won't get the studio quiet enough until you build another insulated inner ceiling.

The ceiling is just as imporant as the walls for sound isolation, that is: both keeping your sounds inside the building, but also keeping the street sounds from entering your recording.

On the other hand, one of the hallmarks of my studio is a dog yelp/bark somewhere on one of the songs of each CD I've produced I usually can edit it out, but I try to leave one in.

Everyone I have recorded likes it 'cause my 2 dogs always sit at their feet for days during tracking sessions. It's too cute when I have 6 people in the tracking room and the dogs are lying over the tops of mic stands, against a guitar case,...

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